Lookie what CBS finally mentioned.
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December 7, 2009
CBS Evening News: Climategate Casts Cloud on UN Global Warming Conference
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Global Warming Fanaticism Heats Up
"Hopefully the world is waking up to the fraud being perpetrated upon it," said RDW in a recent post about Climategate. But, did anyone really think the momentum of the mass fraud of human-caused climate change would be easily stopped with all the power and money at stake?
Global warming zealots everywhere are frantically pulling out all the stops to insure their agenda moves forward, despite the damaging Climategate truth.
In Wisconsin:
Last week, Governor Doyle defended the state's pursuit of job and prosperity killing moves based on global warming.
In Washington:
Today, an AP article reported, the Environmental Protection Agency has concluded greenhouse gases are endangering people's health and must be regulated, signaling that the Obama administration is prepared to contain global warming without congressional action if necessary.
At the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen:
Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said,The ultimate responsibility rests with the citizens of the world, who will ultimately bear the fatal consequences, if we fail to act. Of course, it is up to richer nations of the globe to help poorer nations to convert to a cleaner economy to avoid this end of the world scenario.
Will truth out? Hard to say. When you have people whose beliefs and goals are more important to them than facts, extreme things can happen. History brims with examples.
Global warming zealots everywhere are frantically pulling out all the stops to insure their agenda moves forward, despite the damaging Climategate truth.
In Wisconsin:
Last week, Governor Doyle defended the state's pursuit of job and prosperity killing moves based on global warming.
In Washington:
Today, an AP article reported, the Environmental Protection Agency has concluded greenhouse gases are endangering people's health and must be regulated, signaling that the Obama administration is prepared to contain global warming without congressional action if necessary.
At the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen:
Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said,The ultimate responsibility rests with the citizens of the world, who will ultimately bear the fatal consequences, if we fail to act. Of course, it is up to richer nations of the globe to help poorer nations to convert to a cleaner economy to avoid this end of the world scenario.
Will truth out? Hard to say. When you have people whose beliefs and goals are more important to them than facts, extreme things can happen. History brims with examples.
Labels:
Global warming
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Weekly Address: Pushing Forward on Jobs, Translated
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MRQ / TRQ citing inherent stupidity
MRQ
Surge, then pull out. Denis.
get your good stink on. SER
shred the reports. Owen.
Love and Kisses Dad29
citing inherent stupidity. Blue
want to provide condoms. Elliot
Clubbed by Norwegians. Steve
goes up. KKdither.
No sense in half-assing failure! Casper
Shut up already. Amy.
having an affair with a cocktail waitress Trog
The police are looking into it. Bussorah
Everyone was getting high. Candid Carrie.
Party! Party! Party! Cindy
There is global warming all over my lawn. Me.
Is that with or without the carbon credits? Wild Thing
Holy condescension, Batman! James T.
TRQ
Holy Teleprompter, Batman! Peter
Don't judge me. Candid Carrie
put a fork through a Cowboys' helmet Kevin
take me snowboarding Sara
6-10 inches Stacy
I gotta pee! Peegasm!!! Sara via Pete
I want to lick your donut Ryan via Sara via Chris from Racine
the star of TRQ Chris from Racine
looking ugly. Bizymare
Chia Pets and Clapper ads Badger Blogger
an inch or two tonight Peter
Surge, then pull out. Denis.
get your good stink on. SER
shred the reports. Owen.
Love and Kisses Dad29
citing inherent stupidity. Blue
want to provide condoms. Elliot
Clubbed by Norwegians. Steve
goes up. KKdither.
No sense in half-assing failure! Casper
Shut up already. Amy.
having an affair with a cocktail waitress Trog
The police are looking into it. Bussorah
Everyone was getting high. Candid Carrie.
Party! Party! Party! Cindy
There is global warming all over my lawn. Me.
Is that with or without the carbon credits? Wild Thing
Holy condescension, Batman! James T.
TRQ
Holy Teleprompter, Batman! Peter
Don't judge me. Candid Carrie
put a fork through a Cowboys' helmet Kevin
take me snowboarding Sara
6-10 inches Stacy
I gotta pee! Peegasm!!! Sara via Pete
I want to lick your donut Ryan via Sara via Chris from Racine
the star of TRQ Chris from Racine
looking ugly. Bizymare
Chia Pets and Clapper ads Badger Blogger
an inch or two tonight Peter
December 6, 2009
Caption This
Labels:
Caption Contest
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Cap and Trade in action.
Massive scam involving fraud in carbon credits..... in Copenhagen ironically enough.
I am sure this will be a topic of much discussion at the Chicken Little summit. (Sarcasm off)
I am sure this will be a topic of much discussion at the Chicken Little summit. (Sarcasm off)
Labels:
Environmentalist Idiocy.,
Global warming,
Hypocrisy
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About that claim that death threats to Obama are higher than other President's...
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December 4, 2009
Climategate, The Original One.
I've written about this before but given the current issues revolving around Climategate I thought it was a good time to revisit this. This is obviously a long read but I assure you it is a worthy one.
In the wake of Hurricane Katrina there was much posturing about the relationship between global warming and hurricane frequency and storm strength.
Al Gore, who used to be the next President of the United States, has been touting that such a correlation does exist for some time now.
In his latest book Gore actually had storms photoshopped onto a picture of the Earth to make things look more dire.
I am sure most of you have heard of the IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The IPCC hired Dr. Christopher Landsea to do a physical study to determine if there was any actual scientific link between hurricanes and global warming.
Shortly after Dr. Landsea was hired he resigned in a display of ethical scientific charachter that is in extremely short supply today. This is Dr. Landsea's resignation letter.
This is an open letter to the community from Chris Landsea.
Dear colleagues,
After some prolonged deliberation, I have decided to withdraw from participating in the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). I am withdrawing because I have come to view the part of the IPCC to which my expertise is relevant as having become politicized. In addition, when I have raised my concerns to the IPCC leadership, their response was simply to dismiss my concerns.
With this open letter to the community, I wish to explain the basis for my decision and bring awareness to what I view as a problem in the IPCC process. The IPCC is a group of climate researchers from around the world that every few years summarize how climate is changing and how it may be altered in the future due to manmade global warming. I had served both as an author for the Observations chapter and a Reviewer for the 2nd Assessment Report in 1995 and the 3rd Assessment Report in 2001, primarily on the topic of tropical cyclones (hurricanes and typhoons). My work on hurricanes, and tropical cyclones more generally, has been widely cited by the IPCC. For the upcoming AR4, I was asked several weeks ago by the Observations chapter Lead Author - Dr. Kevin Trenberth - to provide the writeup for Atlantic hurricanes. As I had in the past, I agreed to assist the IPCC in what I thought was to be an important, and politically-neutral determination of what is happening with our climate.
Shortly after Dr. Trenberth requested that I draft the Atlantic hurricane section for the AR4's Observations chapter, Dr. Trenberth participated in a press conference organized by scientists at Harvard on the topic "Experts to warn global warming likely to continue spurring more outbreaks of intense hurricane activity" along with other media interviews on the topic. The result of this media interaction was widespread coverage that directly connected the very busy 2004 Atlantic hurricane season as being caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gas warming occurring today. Listening to and reading transcripts of this press conference and media interviews, it is apparent that Dr. Trenberth was being accurately quoted and summarized in such statements and was not being misrepresented in the media. These media sessions have potential to result in a widespread perception that global warming has made recent hurricane activity much more severe.
I found it a bit perplexing that the participants in the Harvard press conference had come to the conclusion that global warming was impacting hurricane activity today. To my knowledge, none of the participants in that press conference had performed any research on hurricane variability, nor were they reporting on any new work in the field. All previous and current research in the area of hurricane variability has shown no reliable, long-term trend up in the frequency or intensity of tropical cyclones, either in the Atlantic or any other basin. The IPCC assessments in 1995 and 2001 also concluded that there was no global warming signal found in the hurricane record.
Moreover, the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global warming upon hurricane will likely be quite small. The latest results from the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (Knutson and Tuleya, Journal of Climate, 2004) suggest that by around 2080, hurricanes may have winds and rainfall about 5% more intense than today. It has been proposed that even this tiny change may be an exaggeration as to what may happen by the end of the 21st Century (Michaels, Knappenberger, and Landsea, Journal of Climate, 2005, submitted).
It is beyond me why my colleagues would utilize the media to push an unsupported agenda that recent hurricane activity has been due to global warming. Given Dr. Trenberth’s role as the IPCC’s Lead Author responsible for preparing the text on hurricanes, his public statements so far outside of current scientific understanding led me to concern that it would be very difficult for the IPCC process to proceed objectively with regards to the assessment on hurricane activity. My view is that when people identify themselves as being associated with the IPCC and then make pronouncements far outside current scientific understandings that this will harm the credibility of climate change science and will in the longer term diminish our role in public policy.
My concerns go beyond the actions of Dr. Trenberth and his colleagues to how he and other IPCC officials responded to my concerns. I did caution Dr. Trenberth before the media event and provided him a summary of the current understanding within the hurricane research community. I was disappointed when the IPCC leadership dismissed my concerns when I brought up the misrepresentation of climate science while invoking the authority of the IPCC. Specifically, the IPCC leadership said that Dr. Trenberth was speaking as an individual even though he was introduced in the press conference as an IPCC lead author; I was told that that the media was exaggerating or misrepresenting his words, even though the audio from the press conference and interview tells a different story (available on the web directly); and that Dr. Trenberth was accurately reflecting conclusions from the TAR, even though it is quite clear that the TAR stated that there was no connection between global warming and hurricane activity. The IPCC leadership saw nothing to be concerned with in Dr. Trenberth's unfounded pronouncements to the media, despite his supposedly impartial important role that he must undertake as a Lead Author on the upcoming AR4.
It is certainly true that "individual scientists can do what they wish in their own rights", as one of the folks in the IPCC leadership suggested. Differing conclusions and robust debates are certainly crucial to progress in climate science. However, this case is not an honest scientific discussion conducted at a meeting of climate researchers. Instead, a scientist with an important role in the IPCC represented himself as a Lead Author for the IPCC has used that position to promulgate to the media and general public his own opinion that the busy 2004 hurricane season was caused by global warming, which is in direct opposition to research written in the field and is counter to conclusions in the TAR. This becomes problematic when I am then asked to provide the draft about observed hurricane activity variations for the AR4 with, ironically, Dr. Trenberth as the Lead Author for this chapter. Because of Dr. Trenberth's pronouncements, the IPCC process on our assessment of these crucial extreme events in our climate system has been subverted and compromised, its neutrality lost. While no one can "tell" scientists what to say or not say (nor am I suggesting that), the IPCC did select Dr. Trenberth as a Lead Author and entrusted to him to carry out this duty in a non-biased, neutral point of view. When scientists hold press conferences and speak with the media, much care is needed not to reflect poorly upon the IPCC. It is of more than passing interest to note that Dr. Trenberth, while eager to share his views on global warming and hurricanes with the media, declined to do so at the Climate Variability and Change Conference in January where he made several presentations. Perhaps he was concerned that such speculation - though worthy in his mind of public pronouncements – would not stand up to the scrutiny of fellow climate scientists.
I personally cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound. As the IPCC leadership has seen no wrong in Dr. Trenberth's actions and have retained him as a Lead Author for the AR4, I have decided to no longer participate in the IPCC AR4.
Sincerely,
Chris Landsea
Attached are the correspondence between myself and key members of the IPCC FAR, Download file.
Posted on January 17, 2005 11:39 AM
The behavior of Dr. Trenberth as exposed by Dr. Landsea exposes the reality of global warming, it is a political issue, not a scientific one. The current Climategate scam has shown that advocates are willing to corrupt data that they do not agree with.
Not surprisingly many of the advocates are just turning a blind eye to their disgrace. Much of the media is helping by not spreading the story. If only they would give half as much energy fact checking climate politics as they do Sarah Palin the American public would be much more informed.
I believe this example shows better than almost any other the reality of climate science and politics. Quite simply climate science ceased being science and started becoming political issue a long time ago.
Hopefully the world is waking up to the fraud being perpetrated upon it.
In the wake of Hurricane Katrina there was much posturing about the relationship between global warming and hurricane frequency and storm strength.
Al Gore, who used to be the next President of the United States, has been touting that such a correlation does exist for some time now.
In his latest book Gore actually had storms photoshopped onto a picture of the Earth to make things look more dire.
I am sure most of you have heard of the IPCC, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The IPCC hired Dr. Christopher Landsea to do a physical study to determine if there was any actual scientific link between hurricanes and global warming.
Shortly after Dr. Landsea was hired he resigned in a display of ethical scientific charachter that is in extremely short supply today. This is Dr. Landsea's resignation letter.
This is an open letter to the community from Chris Landsea.
Dear colleagues,
After some prolonged deliberation, I have decided to withdraw from participating in the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). I am withdrawing because I have come to view the part of the IPCC to which my expertise is relevant as having become politicized. In addition, when I have raised my concerns to the IPCC leadership, their response was simply to dismiss my concerns.
With this open letter to the community, I wish to explain the basis for my decision and bring awareness to what I view as a problem in the IPCC process. The IPCC is a group of climate researchers from around the world that every few years summarize how climate is changing and how it may be altered in the future due to manmade global warming. I had served both as an author for the Observations chapter and a Reviewer for the 2nd Assessment Report in 1995 and the 3rd Assessment Report in 2001, primarily on the topic of tropical cyclones (hurricanes and typhoons). My work on hurricanes, and tropical cyclones more generally, has been widely cited by the IPCC. For the upcoming AR4, I was asked several weeks ago by the Observations chapter Lead Author - Dr. Kevin Trenberth - to provide the writeup for Atlantic hurricanes. As I had in the past, I agreed to assist the IPCC in what I thought was to be an important, and politically-neutral determination of what is happening with our climate.
Shortly after Dr. Trenberth requested that I draft the Atlantic hurricane section for the AR4's Observations chapter, Dr. Trenberth participated in a press conference organized by scientists at Harvard on the topic "Experts to warn global warming likely to continue spurring more outbreaks of intense hurricane activity" along with other media interviews on the topic. The result of this media interaction was widespread coverage that directly connected the very busy 2004 Atlantic hurricane season as being caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gas warming occurring today. Listening to and reading transcripts of this press conference and media interviews, it is apparent that Dr. Trenberth was being accurately quoted and summarized in such statements and was not being misrepresented in the media. These media sessions have potential to result in a widespread perception that global warming has made recent hurricane activity much more severe.
I found it a bit perplexing that the participants in the Harvard press conference had come to the conclusion that global warming was impacting hurricane activity today. To my knowledge, none of the participants in that press conference had performed any research on hurricane variability, nor were they reporting on any new work in the field. All previous and current research in the area of hurricane variability has shown no reliable, long-term trend up in the frequency or intensity of tropical cyclones, either in the Atlantic or any other basin. The IPCC assessments in 1995 and 2001 also concluded that there was no global warming signal found in the hurricane record.
Moreover, the evidence is quite strong and supported by the most recent credible studies that any impact in the future from global warming upon hurricane will likely be quite small. The latest results from the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory (Knutson and Tuleya, Journal of Climate, 2004) suggest that by around 2080, hurricanes may have winds and rainfall about 5% more intense than today. It has been proposed that even this tiny change may be an exaggeration as to what may happen by the end of the 21st Century (Michaels, Knappenberger, and Landsea, Journal of Climate, 2005, submitted).
It is beyond me why my colleagues would utilize the media to push an unsupported agenda that recent hurricane activity has been due to global warming. Given Dr. Trenberth’s role as the IPCC’s Lead Author responsible for preparing the text on hurricanes, his public statements so far outside of current scientific understanding led me to concern that it would be very difficult for the IPCC process to proceed objectively with regards to the assessment on hurricane activity. My view is that when people identify themselves as being associated with the IPCC and then make pronouncements far outside current scientific understandings that this will harm the credibility of climate change science and will in the longer term diminish our role in public policy.
My concerns go beyond the actions of Dr. Trenberth and his colleagues to how he and other IPCC officials responded to my concerns. I did caution Dr. Trenberth before the media event and provided him a summary of the current understanding within the hurricane research community. I was disappointed when the IPCC leadership dismissed my concerns when I brought up the misrepresentation of climate science while invoking the authority of the IPCC. Specifically, the IPCC leadership said that Dr. Trenberth was speaking as an individual even though he was introduced in the press conference as an IPCC lead author; I was told that that the media was exaggerating or misrepresenting his words, even though the audio from the press conference and interview tells a different story (available on the web directly); and that Dr. Trenberth was accurately reflecting conclusions from the TAR, even though it is quite clear that the TAR stated that there was no connection between global warming and hurricane activity. The IPCC leadership saw nothing to be concerned with in Dr. Trenberth's unfounded pronouncements to the media, despite his supposedly impartial important role that he must undertake as a Lead Author on the upcoming AR4.
It is certainly true that "individual scientists can do what they wish in their own rights", as one of the folks in the IPCC leadership suggested. Differing conclusions and robust debates are certainly crucial to progress in climate science. However, this case is not an honest scientific discussion conducted at a meeting of climate researchers. Instead, a scientist with an important role in the IPCC represented himself as a Lead Author for the IPCC has used that position to promulgate to the media and general public his own opinion that the busy 2004 hurricane season was caused by global warming, which is in direct opposition to research written in the field and is counter to conclusions in the TAR. This becomes problematic when I am then asked to provide the draft about observed hurricane activity variations for the AR4 with, ironically, Dr. Trenberth as the Lead Author for this chapter. Because of Dr. Trenberth's pronouncements, the IPCC process on our assessment of these crucial extreme events in our climate system has been subverted and compromised, its neutrality lost. While no one can "tell" scientists what to say or not say (nor am I suggesting that), the IPCC did select Dr. Trenberth as a Lead Author and entrusted to him to carry out this duty in a non-biased, neutral point of view. When scientists hold press conferences and speak with the media, much care is needed not to reflect poorly upon the IPCC. It is of more than passing interest to note that Dr. Trenberth, while eager to share his views on global warming and hurricanes with the media, declined to do so at the Climate Variability and Change Conference in January where he made several presentations. Perhaps he was concerned that such speculation - though worthy in his mind of public pronouncements – would not stand up to the scrutiny of fellow climate scientists.
I personally cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound. As the IPCC leadership has seen no wrong in Dr. Trenberth's actions and have retained him as a Lead Author for the AR4, I have decided to no longer participate in the IPCC AR4.
Sincerely,
Chris Landsea
Attached are the correspondence between myself and key members of the IPCC FAR, Download file.
Posted on January 17, 2005 11:39 AM
The behavior of Dr. Trenberth as exposed by Dr. Landsea exposes the reality of global warming, it is a political issue, not a scientific one. The current Climategate scam has shown that advocates are willing to corrupt data that they do not agree with.
Not surprisingly many of the advocates are just turning a blind eye to their disgrace. Much of the media is helping by not spreading the story. If only they would give half as much energy fact checking climate politics as they do Sarah Palin the American public would be much more informed.
I believe this example shows better than almost any other the reality of climate science and politics. Quite simply climate science ceased being science and started becoming political issue a long time ago.
Hopefully the world is waking up to the fraud being perpetrated upon it.
Labels:
Chris Landsea,
Global warming
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Gibbs Compares Black Female WH Reporter To His Child
The only petulant child I see is Robert Gibbs.
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December 3, 2009
Darn
There is global warming all over my lawn.
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Movie Quotes.
How many can you get without Googling?
- You on the bike! Back to the Future
- Drugs are to the right, hookers are to the left. Bachelor Party
- you know all about homicidal impulse......don't you Shooter? Basic Instinct
- If you are good at something, never do it for free The Dark Knight.
- You can lead a blonde to water, but you can't make her drink A Beautiful Mind
- I noticed you have braces. I have braces too. Beavis and Butthead Do America
- Go ahead ... make my millenium. Beetlejuice
- Hate is what keeps a man alive. Ben Hur
- You do that again, I'll shoot you myself! Beverly Hills Cop
- My face is my fortune, that's why I'm totally broke! Beaches
Well done folks you got 9 out of 10. Next time I'll have to make it harder.
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Movie Quotes
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Barbara Boxer Then and Now
Then: Protect Whistle blowers.
Now: Prosecute Whistle blowers.
I guess the subject is all that matters to Boxer. Her precious global warming can not be challenged.
Now: Prosecute Whistle blowers.
I guess the subject is all that matters to Boxer. Her precious global warming can not be challenged.
Labels:
Boxer,
Global warming,
Hypocrisy
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December 2, 2009
Der Speigel on Obama's Speech.
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December 1, 2009
Who the heck is advising Obama?
Bumping Charlie Brown? Seriously? Is nothing sacred?
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I'll ask the Tiger Woods question no one else will.
Why the heck was he driving a Cadillac when he is sponsored by Buick?
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Blogger Christmas Party Extravaganza Announcement.

Milwaukee County Executive and Candidate for Governor Scott Walker will be attending the January 3, 2010 event.
Maybe we can get Mayor Tom Barrett and Mark Neumann to attend as well? Attention Jared Christiansen, you are invited as well.
Labels:
2010 gubernatorial race,
Drinking Right,
Scott Walker
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Al Gore confronted on Climategate in Chicago
You see what happend to anyone who dares to aske the Goracle about this.
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A memo to Drew Brees.
Drew,
NFL rules allow running touchdowns.
Thanks,
Fred's Fantasy Team.
^%$#&)!^&*)@!&*!@$)%^!*@)^*@!(^!$@&*(!%$@^*(
NFL rules allow running touchdowns.
Thanks,
Fred's Fantasy Team.
^%$#&)!^&*)@!&*!@$)%^!*@)^*@!(^!$@&*(!%$@^*(
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