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February 4, 2006
Creative Genius III
The new Creative Genius of the Cheddarsphere (outside of Dennis York of course) is Belle
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Badcast
Podcasting is catching on, badcasting is Badger generated podcasting.
Two new badcasts are up. Jenna & Aaron have the 2nd installment of their joint venture up. (we are curious why it took them 30 seconds to mention Real Debate)
In addition Sean at the American Mind has a badcast featuring Peggy Noonan speaking at an Ethics in the Media conference at Ripon College.
Give them a hear.
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February 3, 2006
RDW FIELD REPORT
While in Hales Corners in the area of 108th St & Layton Ave (by the Walgreen's) a Justin Sowa '06 bumper sticker was sighted on a Green Ford Taurus.
Alert the press, Justin has a supporter!
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Racine DA's Office: A Tale of Two Investigations.
FYI, this case is very complicated and the DA's office has come to this conclusion in 15 days.
We are 51 days from the trespass at the home of State Senator Cathy Stepp by Voces de la Frontera, and still we have no announcement.
We would like to commend the DA's office for moving swiftly on the Adrial White thing, but are curious why this other investigation is taking so long.
A few questions needed to cleared up a week ago, when will we have a resolution on carges in this case?
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Chairman Holloway, Am I the only one?
Astoundingly Chairman Holloway was standing there in the clerks office in an obvious attempt to intimidate the group of County Supervisors.
To their credit, the Supervisors walked right past him to file their letter.
Upon seeing this, I was struck by how defiant the Chairman was and how thuggish his presence appeared.
I have not really spoken about this story at all, but his behavior seemed so over the top I found it worthy of mention.
Did anyone else notice this? If not you can watch the video here then comment.
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February 2, 2006
The Return of Crazy Horse
Welcome back Chris.
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It must be an election year.
NAACP chairman compares GOP to Nazis
Civil rights activist and NAACP Chairman Julian Bond delivered a blistering partisan speech at Fayetteville State University in North Carolina last night, equating the Republican Party with the Nazi Party and characterizing Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her predecessor, Colin Powell, as "tokens."
"The Republican Party would have the American flag and the swastika flying side by side," he charged.
Calling President Bush a liar, Bond told the audience at the historically black institution that this White House's lies are more serious than the lies of his predecessor's because Clinton's lies didn't kill people.
"We now find ourselves refighting old battles we thought we had already won," he said. "We have to fight discrimination whenever it raises its ugly head."
He referred to former Attorney General John Ashcroft as J. Edgar Ashcroft. He compared Bush's judicial nominees to the Taliban.
The talk so infuriated at least one black family in attendance among the 900 in the auditorium that they got up in walked out in protest.
"He went on and on name calling," said Lee Wilson. "I walked out in the middle of his speech with my wife and three kids"
The harsh partisan rhetoric from Bond should not have surprised anyone who has followed him in recent years.
In July 2001, Bond said, "[Bush] has selected nominees from the Taliban wing of American politics, appeased the wretched appetites of the extreme right wing, and chosen Cabinet officials whose devotion to the Confederacy is nearly canine in its uncritical affection."
Now, tell me, just who is engaged in hate speech?
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February 1, 2006
Unanswered Questions

Peter has a post up highlighting the refusal of the Racine Journal Times to answer some questions in regards to their editorial policy.
In that spirit I would like to add on to his giant empty cartoon bubble.
The following people have ignored our requests for response or comment.
- Christine Newmann-Ortiz, Voces de la Frontera
- 1st Congressional District Justin Sowa (X7)
- The Doyle Campaign
- The Walker Campaign
- The Green Campaign
- The Falk Campaign
- The Lautenschlager Campaign
- The Bucher Campaign
- The Van Hollen Campaign
- Jessica Erickson, Communications Director Wisdems.org (she needs a new title, she ain't communicating.)
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Hey Governor Doyle, What are you Hiding?
- Scott Walker has had 99% of his contributions from Wisconsin Citizens.
- Mark Green has had 95% of his Contribution from Wisconsin Citizens.
- Jim Doyle, uh Governor, hello..... did not disclose what percentage of his contributions came from Wisconsin.
I wonder why the Governor made the choice not to disclose that information.
We'll have to look into that.
An Editorial point. This was post #500 for Real Debate. I am not sure if that meas anything or not, but found it interesting.
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January 31, 2006
Hey Scott, where'd all the money go?

Take a peak at the campaign reports for Mark Green and Scott Walker.
I have a question.
What on Earth did you spend all that money on Scott? Money season has not even started yet.
H/T Owen on the chart.
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Scott Jensen not going quietly into the night.
His lawyers have proof Madison DA Brian Blanchard was selectively prosecuting Republicans while giving Democrats a pass.
None other than Jim Doyle's Campaign Manager, Rich Judge is in this up to his eyeballs.
Go see Deb for all the little details.
SUPERB WORK DEB!
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State if the Union.
The philosophy of the Democratic party is to go against EVERYTHING the President does.
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Journal Times, again.
In typical fashion the Journal Times put out the Lehman (D) press release, and ignored the McReynolds (R) press release.
These guys are not even trying to be neutral any more.
It is clear The Racine Journal Times is a liberal activist paper. The McReynolds release went out at 2:21 pm, first comment on the Lehman post was 2:50 pm, I am not sure when they posted the Lehman release.
I posted both statements at The Kringlesphere if anyone is interested. (hint McReynolds has twice the cash in less than half the time)
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Veto upheld.
It was a no-brainer, the Democrats were not going to come out of caucus until they had the votes to uphold. This is what happens time after time after time.
Truth be told, I think this was a bad day for the Governor.
This is just another in a laundry list of items that people want, that make sense, that most states already have but Doyle has denied Wisconsin.
This is an election year, and the Assembly Democrats just gave the Republican Candidates another item to run on.
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These are your Wisconsin Democrats.
Jeesh, Cloture is simply an end to debate, he is voting NO.
Warning the language on this thread is a bit harsh. (well these are ticked off Dems, what did you expect?)
While we are on the subject, they apparently had their heads in the sand on Travelgate.
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January 30, 2006
New Secretary of Karma named.
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Feingold starting to grandstand.
Russ Russ Russ. Tell me Mr. not-yet-declared-pandering-to-the-rabid-foaming-at-the-mouth-loony-fringe-crowd, what part of classified do you not understand?
Even if you can argue that Gonzalez knew about all this before he asumed office, are you willing to tell me he should of come forward with it in his confirmation hearings?
What is classified? Go ahead, double click the word and the handy dandy RDW dictionary will give you the definition. But it means secret, can not get out.
Russ, go bark up a new tree.
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Two on the Journal Times? They deserve it.
Well what two items are leading their Web Forums at this moment?
Concealed carry is still a bad idea for Wisconsin
Impeach Bush
I emailed The Journal Times' Web editor Rob golub this morning giving him a heads up to our report over the weekend on the State Democratic Party turning a blind eye on the activities of the new "unity party" led takeover of Racine by Kurt Vlach.
Rob's response, "sour grapes?"
No, not really Rob, just bringing an interesting political issue to your attention that involves local people and possible election fraud being brought forth by persons of the same party.
I'm an admitted rightie, if the Democrats want to fight with each other they are distracted and that is good for my side. We have let our opinion be known, we respected the former office holders, they were people who played by the rules. This new group is showing a willingness to cheat to win elections. I guess that is not newsworthy to you, but to me that is very concerning.
Especially when you have ignored our breaking the story of how Voces de la Frontera is turning illegals quasi-legal while having a past of allegations of shady electioneering, right here in Racine.
But no, let us run the 5th editorial against concealed carry in a week. That is some good Journalism.
Oh and the impeach Bush thing, why did you not send that back for rhetoric like you do to right leaning editorials. "Bush says that he is not spying on anybody except those who are suspected to be in league with terrorists, but how are we to really know. " And that is the rationale for impeachment? And you published it. I'll ignore the Bush lied about weapons crap, because we all know EVERY pol in DC said exactly the same thing.
This paper gets more and more comical every day. Oh one more thing, real newspapers do weekends.
UPDATE: Peter has joined the Monday JT issues. Welcome aboard!
UPDATE II: New Jt Web Post: Audio Commentary: Anti-war message to calypso beats These people are shameless.
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Teddy Kennedy's marching orders.
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Editorial Misconduct: The Racine Journal Times.
Sometimes you can see where a paper stands on the issues by what they refuse to print.
See two reader submitted editorials by Bob Geason and Bob Trapp. Each letter was submitted to both the Janesville and Racine papers.
Both articles were printed, without edit, in the Janesville paper. Both were refused for publication in the Racine paper. Read them for yourselves and see if there was anything over the top or untrue.
At the same time the Journal Times refused these reasoned letters on Paul Ryan/Abramhoff & school choice, the paper ran the following editorials.
- Support Alito filibuster
- Free Adrial
- 4 anti-concealed carry letters (one pro)
- A note complaining the 1st district "fawns" Ryan.
- A diatribe against Christian symbols downtown.
- A pro $10.5 million school spending increase referenda post.
Bob Geason showed me a previous letter he sent to the Journal Times that asked him to change his rhetoric and questioned his facts. He asked my opinion as to the accuracy. I could find nothing factually challengable. (I wish I could remember the topic, it was some time ago).
I have submitted numerous letters over the years, few have been printed. Upon occasion I write for the From the Right portion of the JT Weblog. Only once has the body my submitted work not been edited, and even then the title was changed. Upon looking for a link to the From the Right part of the weblog, it is missing! Feingold for President is still there though! :)
Why does this paper have such an issue with printing conservative thought? I will credit the Journal Times for having an EXCELLENT web-based forum where conservative thought is encouraged.
The editorial page appears to be a different matter.
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New Talent: Milwaukee-ID10T
With rhetoric like this they deserve a mention, as well as an addition to the RealDebate Blogroll.
If WEAC/DPW wants accountability in choice schools and the ability to shut down all poor performing choice schools great. I agree 100%. But, I also think that the same standards should apply to MPS schools and they should be shut down too if they are not performing up to the same standards. Oh wait. That would close a lot of MPS schools. And I doubt that WEAC would want that.
As a disgruntled tax payer of the City of Milwaukee, I have come up with an idea that the invisible Mayor Barrett would never approve of and the city council… well let’s just say that I have a better chance of winning the $156 million Powerball on Wednesday and moving out of the city.
Looking at the comment from Jay Bullock bothered me to no end. Then I looked at his blogger profile and that explained it all to me. Jay - If the MTEA is so helpful in showing bad teachers the door. Please provide the examples of 10 teachers in which the MTEA has allowed MPS (for being a bad teacher) to dismiss in the last year. – Ok last 2 years.
Welcome aboard Clint.
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January 29, 2006
Point Counter Point: PC Pizza
Belle is the host this week, this is your courtesy copy.
This week's topic is P/C Pizza...so we hope you've saved some room for what we've got cookin'...
Grab a plate, chug a cold one (or two) and feast your eyes on our tasty menu.
Guests get first dibs, so let's see what Fred thinks we should have...

Liberal Pizza
The great thing about Liberal Pizza is how many ways you can have it. Pizza like liberalism tries to be all things to all people. So this topic shall deal with the perfect Liberal pizza.
In order to make a decision, the first thing any good liberal must do is stick their finger up in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. A poll must be taken. In addition, when doing scientific polling always remember to do at least a 55% sample of Democrats, 35% Republicans and 10% Squishies as that creates the fairest picture of “mainstream” thought. The following key components must be covered in the polling questions:
- Crust - Thin, thick, stuffed, other.
- Toppings - Type of cheese, meat, vegetable, other
- Sauce - Red, other.
- Shape - Square, Round, Other.
- Cut - Diagonal, pie, other.
- Packaging - Dine in, take out, box, paper.
- Environmental impact - Effect of Barbie’s coffee table, biodegradable ½ life of other packaging materials
- Political Impact - Positive, Negative, neutral
- If to go, carry out or delivery.
- Method of payment - Cash, check, charge, barter
- Labeling - Proper nutritional analysis.
- Human Impact - Does the pizza place provide health care for all employees?
- Educational Impact
First things first, in order to get the funding for the polling the good liberal will turn this daunting question over to a university that shall apply for a research grant to study the question. Upon five years or so of statistical analysis at the cost to the taxpayers of approximately 72.846 million dollars, it is time to poll the electorate to decide upon the perfect liberal pizza.
Any good liberal will tell you the first thing is there can be no meat, or animal byproducts on your perfect liberal pizza. Polling has shown the following ingredients are preferred.
- Soy Cheese, available in 11 exciting flavors
- Vegan Pizza Toppings - We have found the following to be acceptable, mushrooms, olives, zucchini, squash, dried tomatoes, cooked lentils, broccoli, kale, spinach, carrots, cauliflower, fresh garlic, crushed red peppers, tofu, vegan rella, and alfalfa sprouts.
- Organic Dough - One can make a delicious organic dough using kamut flour.
- There are acceptable organic sauces on the market.
Polling did show that while people claimed to care about the shape and or packaging of the pizza, it made no significant impact on political fallout, so choose your favorite. Delivery was the preferred method of conveyance, if you choose delivery make sure the driver is using a hybrid vehicle.
So that is it, throw it all together, pop it in the oven and it will melt into a disgusting blob that should make everyone happy. However, it does taste like crap.
So do the following: go in public and take a big ole’ chomp out of the perfect liberal pizza. Then duck out of view and scarf down one of these.
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Belle's Turn
Conservative Pizza
Dear Mr. Butler,
Myself, the Mrs. - along with Jane and John Jr. - would like a fresh pizza ready and waiting for us in the dining room when we get home at 6 p.m. Below you will find our requirements.
Cost is no concern. We'll figure out something - heck, we're all rich lawyers, bankers or businessmen. We can afford it. If we can't -- we'll take the money from somewhere else. Let's just make sure it doesn't affect military funding.
Size - the bigger, the better. Do they offer XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL? If so, we'll take it. If not, we'll make you make it.
Toppings and other ingredients:
- Cheese - lots and lots of cholesterol-infused, heart valve-clogging cheese. Don't order low-fat...we like the real thing.
- Meat - nothing artificial. We expect them to shoot and kill our meet. Perhaps a big, juicy steak chopped up on top of the cheese would be acceptable. No turkeyroni, no veggie-sausage, no boca-burgers. Pork or Beef. Mmmm....beef.
- Veggies - nothing weird or out of the ordinary. Onions, black olives, green peppers or mushrooms.
- Crust - Stuffed crust or Chicago-style deep dish.
- Sauce - Whatever they make is fine, as long as it involves some type of tomato.
Also, make sure it's nice and greasy. The more fat, the better.
You know, on second thought, we'll take one of everything. Just throw out whatever we don't eat or give it to the dogs.
Delivery or Carry-Out - Make sure you take the H3 when you pick up the pizza. While you're at it, fill 'er up with super-premium gasoline. Gosh, I love that gas-guzzler.
We will not support a business that encourages or employs persons with immoral behavior. Therefore, if we think you're gay, sexually promiscuous or pro-choice, consider your business banned from the speed-dial. That's why we like Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay so much -- they are key players in the anti-gay movement.
We will also not support a business that participates/supports illegal campaign action or lobbying. So, maybe the Abramoff/Delay example wasn't such a good choice.
Bottom-line: Make sure the place you get the pizza from is owned by a large pizza conglomerate -- preferrably one our business can do a corporate-takeover and then monopolize. Thanks for spying. You know how much we support domestic spying.
Thanks,
Mr. Conservative
P.S. Don't bother tipping since you're picking it up. We don't want to see our money go to waste on something as trivial as a tip for someone who cooks pizzas.
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Thought of the week.
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What a Cute Couple.

Hugo says he may set his tent next to Cindy's.
Paparatzi opportunity?
This years Brad & Angelina?
Please, no honeymoon photos.
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Sheehan Vs Feinstein
We have three words in response to this story.
RUN CINDY RUN!
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Dean steps in it on Fox News Sunday
Dean: There's not one shred of evidence that any Democrat, A, knew that he was getting a contribution from Jack Abramoff and, B, did anything in exchange for it. And that's why this is a Republican finance scandal and not some sort of bipartisan scandal.
Wallace: I just want to ask you about this question of the Democratic involvement. I want to put up something from the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics. This comes directly from their Web page, and it says, "Here is a detailed look at Abramoff's lobbying and political contributions from Abramoff, the tribes that hired him, and SunCruz Casinos, which is a company that Abramoff owned since 1999."
It lists recipients by the amount of money they received. Well, the top two are the Republican campaign committees. The third and fourth biggest recipients were Democratic campaign committees. And if you go down the list, Democrats received more than $1 million from Abramoff-related interests.
DEAN: There's two points to this. First of all, actually, we — the DNC actually got $100,000-some odd. Now, I can assure you Jack Abramoff never directed that money. It is possible that some of Jack Abramoff's clients may have decided on their own to give Democrats money. The key is...
WALLACE: I'm sorry, did you say, I'm sorry. Did you say that you're sure that Abramoff didn't direct them to give that money?
DEAN: No, what I said was that it is possible that some Democrats got money from some of the — yeah. No, what I'm saying is that Abramoff may not have directed some of this money toward the Democrats.
WALLACE: In fact, he did, sir. We've got evidence of that.
DEAN: But the point is that not one Democrat either knew it or acted on it. Nobody got anything out of the Democrats from Jack Abramoff. No Democrat delivered anything, and there's no accusation and no investigation that any Democrat ever delivered anything to Jack Abramoff. And that's not true of the Republicans.
WALLACE: So if we find — and I just want to — we have to wrap this up. But if we find that there were some Democrats who wrote letters on behalf of some of the Indian tribes that Abramoff represented, then what do you say, sir?
DEAN: That's a big problem, and those Democrats are in trouble, and they should be in trouble. And our party, if the American people will put us back in power in '06, we will have on the president's desk things that outlaw all those kinds of behaviors. Right now it's a Republican scandal. Maybe they'll find that some Democrats did something wrong, too. That hasn't been the case yet.
Well late in the show Chris Wallace came out and said they had found a letter written by Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid on behalf of an Abramhoff client.
In November 2005 the Associated Press reported that Senate Minority Leader Reid had accepted tens of thousands of dollars from an Abramoff client, the Coushatta Indian tribe, after interceding with Secretary of the Interior Gail Norton over a casino dispute with a rival tribe.Reid "sent a letter to Norton on March 5, 2002," the AP said. "The next day, the Coushattas issued a $5,000 check to Reid's tax-exempt political group, the Searchlight Leadership Fund. A second tribe represented by Abramoff sent an additional $5,000 to Reid's group. Reid ultimately received more than $66,000 in Abramoff-related donations between 2001 and 2004."
Woops. So Mr Chairman is Mr Minority Leader in trouble?
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